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what's up everybody how are you

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doing um we have a really great friday

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um we have a mr david marlar joining us

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i'm super excited to bring him in uh

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what's up disclosure team

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how you doing and we have a bonus i

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thought we were only going to get him

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for a half hour

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he's uh on his lunch break at work and

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really bored or something i won't hold

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them to that

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um but that's super exciting uh

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yesterday we had a great day we had nick

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lou elizondo uh that was fantastic

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um so i hope some of you

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will continue to come back so

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uh hi linda uh with that said

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i will um not waste any time

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david marlar is super smart um what

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i'll be honest what really piqued my

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and it's a really smart idea to to

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focus yourself on one aspect of this as

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you know all of it at once can be

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mr uh david marlar how are you

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hello uh great to be with you today yeah

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it's it's our pleasure to have you for

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um when is the last time you've done uh

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oh i've been doing them weekly it seems

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like uh with the interest as you know

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sean and your audience with regard to

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ufos uaps the pentagon ufo report

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as national international it's just been

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a whirlwind

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uh yeah you know we want to see more

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interest in the subject

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but you know it's kind of the old adage

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you know be careful what you wish for

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because yeah i suppose we've gone from

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uh not feast to famine but famine to

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feast with regard to interest in the

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subject everybody's interested now and

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it's an exciting time but it's an

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exhausting time

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especially trying as i have over the

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present the material in a credible

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and as with any subject once a subject

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starts to garner attention

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suddenly everyone comes out of the

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woodwork as an an instant expert

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and they're out there quite often outing

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things that might not be grounded in

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yeah isn't it that's pretty unreal isn't

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facts really at all that are specific

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something that we don't even know what

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i and i'm glad it made the final cut i

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have lots of data but data doesn't

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necessarily equate to answers so

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present them with a box with no picture

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puzzles put them all in one box

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address all of the data that we have

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right yeah and that's a reasonable thing

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the preliminary report that we got um

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categories explanations that might

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ketchup um and it does suggest at one

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it's not just going to throw it out

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some old audio recordings where he talks

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about because he was one of the few

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within the intelligence circles he was

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the pentagon liaison officer

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i have some interviews with him where he

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even conceded decades later to a a

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friend and a fellow colleague in the

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field that

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um he felt it was the right assessment

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because

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it was a very small subset of early

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reports

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there was physical evidence to back it

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up and i think there were even

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few if any radar to to back up some of

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the cases that

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supposedly were looked at uh prior to

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drafting that report

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so you know in absence of physical

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evidence you know it's really hard and

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again really

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we can postulate we have the luxury of

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civilians we're good at it

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through we've made an art form out of it

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right

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but we we have that luxury where we can

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casually throw out what we believe

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with regard to the ufo subject we have

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to understand that the people drafting

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this

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latest pentagon report have to be very

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judicious

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in the words the phrasing and they're

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sticking their neck out

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if they make a claim they damn well

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better be able to back that up with

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facts

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and so it's no surprise it's an

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extremely conservative report and with

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the understanding this is the

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unclassified report

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obviously there's much more meat on the

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bone if we had access to the classified

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report

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right yeah um i know black vault's

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trying to get that i wish him luck

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john's doing a great job um but i guess

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you know good news is it it really was

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preliminary and it it sounds like from

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the memorandum that came out shortly

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afterwards

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they'll have another report in 90 days i

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hope

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transparency absolutely no absolutely

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and the thing i think we also have to

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keep in mind taking a step back for a

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moment

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we've talked about this for many decades

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in the ufo field

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any military or defense

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contractor would love to get their hands

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on this type of advanced technology

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anybody that could harness how these

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ufos fly could

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rule the world i mean it would be a game

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changing event on the global scale

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and what's interesting about that is the

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fact that we have all these different

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countries like russia and china as well

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as the united states

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trying to understand this yeah whatever

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the united states

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might know about uaps as far as

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technology

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and possible propulsion systems they

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can't share that with the american

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public

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and i only say that because once it gets

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to the american public you're basically

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communicating that to russia and china

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you're communicating that to our

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adversaries because they're monitoring

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you know they're doing cyber attacks all

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the time

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uh but if we're putting it out there for

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the general public consumption

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you're just as easily handing it on a

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silver platter to vladimir putin

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or to you know communist china so sure

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there are things that will have to be

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kept secret for very

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you know pragmatic national security

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reasons

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yeah especially i know some of these uh

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sightings

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um have been over sensitive areas so

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whether it be yeah absolutely and that's

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really what was interesting is when you

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look back because i just wrote an

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article kind of

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taking us from prior to the new york

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times article in december 2017 to where

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we are today

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with the most recent pentagon ufo report

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and what's interesting is one of the

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most telling statements during this

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entire series of

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uh public statements if you will when

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the

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policy and procedure for

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navy personnel to report ufos or uaps

399
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there was a statement again you look for

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the the details in the statements and

401
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quite often i was surprised the media

402
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for the most part kind of glossed over

403
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this

404
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the impetus for it was due to the

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increased sightings

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that were occurring near military

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operations areas

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yeah and who was that that said recently

409
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that it may just be a matter of it being

410
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more frequently and better recorded

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absolutely

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and i believe and i might be wrong on

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this but i believe uh in talking to one

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of the individuals i know within

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military circles

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that in 2004 when the nimitz incident

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occurred the aegis radar system was

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relatively new

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right i think it's it's a matter of our

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technology

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getting to a level of fidelity

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and sophistication where we're now able

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to detect these things more readily so

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you know to your overarching question

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are we seeing more ufos by we the

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military

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or is it just that our level of

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technological sophistication is such

429
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where we're starting to see them more

430
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yeah maybe a little both

431
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who knows and possibly both yeah

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um what do you know i think you're the

433
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perfect guy to ask this question of and

434
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you probably already answered it

435
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somewhere

436
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at some point um but what do you think

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of the

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as pyramids which

439
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i don't know that i've ever heard

440
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pyramids before so uh there have been

441
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pyramidal

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ufos reported very small though

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percentage-wise uh sean

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uh in the literature uh in fact i was

445
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just talking with dr mark rodger with

446
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kufos a few weeks back and we were

447
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discussing that that he knows of a few

448
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cases i have a few cases on file

449
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uh some of the military accounts even

450
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described a few

451
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not many a few pyramidal i have to tell

452
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you

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of all the purported dod videos that

454
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have been

455
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circulating and i have to say i more

456
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than probably anyone

457
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would love to see a credible video from

458
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official sources of a triangular ufo

459
00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:01,279
obviously given my background and my

460
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research you've looked for one

461
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yeah sure i would love to see one i have

462
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to say of all the videos though

463
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i am the most skeptical of that

464
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particular one

465
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okay uh and for a number of reasons um

466
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jeremy corbell who i take issue with on

467
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some of his statements and some of his

468
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uh

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regard to some of this um he stated when

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he released it that this is the best

471
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dod video we have released today that's

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true

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now from an evidentiary standpoint i

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would disagree

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and the reason i say that is when you're

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looking at any

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light amplification video as this was um

478
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it's grainy

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at best it's not highly detailed just by

480
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the mere fact that you're dealing with

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light amplification you get that kind of

482
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snowy distortion

483
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sure um so you don't have the clarity

484
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that one would hope for

485
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uh but beyond that i love the first

486
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three dod videos that were released

487
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using the flir

488
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camera systems because that gives you

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infrared signatures which helps you

490
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beyond just looking at it visually and

491
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kind of having that eye candy right that

492
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is kind of exciting you nailed it you

493
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can look

494
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and see if and when there are any heat

495
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signatures

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which gives us a higher level of

497
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analysis when it comes to trying to

498
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determine how do these things fly

499
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sure we don't have that luxury with the

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light amplification imagery

501
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we don't have that infrared signature

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the other thing that i have issue with

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and this is not

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based on my work it's based on the work

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i've seen of those on the internet

506
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there's there have been a number of

507
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individuals that have analyzed the the

508
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quote-unquote pyramidal

509
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ufos which they look triangular to me i

510
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i don't

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video a three-dimensional

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pyramidal shape um but i'll i'll take

513
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jeremy corbell

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you know as he described it as pyramidal

515
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sure what's interesting is

516
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uh there have been a number of people

517
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that have analyzed that video and they

518
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look

519
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at the different light sources every one

520
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of the light sources

521
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in that video very short video sequence

522
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take on a triangular appearance

523
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and anytime you deal with that in a ufo

524
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case whether it's photographs videos

525
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if all the light uh points of origin

526
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are taking on a similar characteristic

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it's

528
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to the lens to the aperture system

529
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right and i don't agree with mick west

530
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on hardly anything but i think when he

531
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okay lens as a potential element

532
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in creating that that triangular image i

533
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did do a little research on that

534
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on on what that does and everything and

535
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you know it's just from the examples

536
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that

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made you know professionally in the show

538
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you're sure it is so that's a different

539
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thing but

540
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yeah um yeah there's like hundreds or

541
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thousands but they look

542
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exactly perfect in relation to each

543
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other

544
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yes and i think jeremy's i don't know

545
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that i can say that about those

546
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they're really close right i don't know

547
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it's too close

548
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yeah well i'm not a video analyst by the

549
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way

550
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:05,360
when it comes to videos we should leave

551
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that up to the video analysts i trust

552
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,440
their judgment over mine or jeremy

553
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:10,960
corbell's for that matter

554
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:13,679
yeah do you mind uh answering a question

555
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or two from no not at all yeah okay

556
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this is from scott brown he's a dear

557
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friend he's been on a couple times

558
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um yeah can you see it yeah okay cool

559
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really spoke about it but i would i like

560
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him to address the so-called triangle

561
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but oh yes yes thank you scott uh that

562
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was the

563
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uh on the three-hour segment with uh

564
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george knapp

565
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he showed the russian footage i was

566
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familiar with that

567
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going back at least 15 20 years that

568
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that purported footage

569
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and myself and a number of colleagues

570
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have been messaging uh

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right after that that segment aired

572
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where george knapp was referring to that

573
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:49,120
and i i i like and respect george

574
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,400
tremendously

575
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,400
but i believe that that was a high

576
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:54,480
altitude french research balloon

577
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,919
uh i've seen a a number of images that

578
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:58,960
are identical

579
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,600
in nature to what is depicted in that

580
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:03,360
and what's interesting is you just see

581
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,159
this this

582
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:06,080
object either hovering or moving very

583
00:20:09,310 --> 00:20:07,360
slowly in the air

584
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,320
it's reflective maybe even

585
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,799
semi-translucent

586
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,799
and all i can say is i've seen other

587
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,480
high-altitude research balloons that

588
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,480
take on that exact same image

589
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:18,240
in fact there was a famous case that

590
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:20,080
garnered tons of international

591
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,360
attention in uh spain madrid spain

592
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:25,919
back in the 60s and people took

593
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:28,080
photographs and it's that exact same

594
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,640
image and in that that case as well

595
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:31,679
there was no

596
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,559
exotic flight characteristics as as with

597
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:36,559
the film that george knapp showed uh

598
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,520
from russia which

599
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:40,000
i believe it was uh riga latvia where it

600
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,200
was actually taken

601
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,120
and it was taken by military personnel

602
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:45,039
on the tarmac at one of the air bases

603
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:45,760
there

604
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:47,840
um what's interesting is you don't see

605
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:49,919
any exotic flight characteristics you

606
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,039
don't see the objects suddenly

607
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,880
accelerate disappear

608
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,039
uh it just seems to just be this either

609
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:57,200
stationary or semi-stationary object

610
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:58,400
moving in the sky

611
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:01,120
no i tend to think this i bet you i bet

612
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,880
you'll agree but you know

613
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,520
um do you think there's ever going to be

614
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:07,679
even

615
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,720
like i don't think it's possible to have

616
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,559
a video come out to where

617
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,200
it convinces everybody you know well

618
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,120
there's just yeah so much that can be

619
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:20,080
faked if it looks perfect well then it's

620
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,200
like that's not real

621
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,440
i mean you know the question depends on

622
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,360
your audience sean like

623
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:27,360
for example mainstream scientists no

624
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,799
video is going to convince them of the

625
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,000
reality of ufos

626
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,000
that's you know they want something hard

627
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:33,440
that they can tap on that they can

628
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,159
measure

629
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,159
yeah until that happens they're not

630
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,240
going to be convinced

631
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,840
i think the court of public opinion

632
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:42,080
though i think it has definitely shifted

633
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,280
especially in

634
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,440
in recent you know weeks since the

635
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:47,679
pentagon ufo reports come out

636
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,640
um but uh yeah the video in and of

637
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,919
itself i don't think is

638
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,520
is really good enough evidence with

639
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,360
regard to the subject matter right

640
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,640
uh i think we have to look at the

641
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,720
totality of evidence and in fact

642
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,880
i always challenge skeptics uh when they

643
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,200
make these arbitrary explanations quite

644
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:05,120
often that that don't address all the

645
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,080
data

646
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:07,919
uh you know just most recently with some

647
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,919
of the dod videos some like mick west

648
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:11,520
and others have

649
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:14,480
addressed the the video not taking into

650
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:15,039
account

651
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,480
these things were also being tracked on

652
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,720
radar they were being visually

653
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,240
you know it's they kind of look through

654
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,840
the keyhole when it comes to evidence

655
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:23,280
they're only going to look at this small

656
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,679
little

657
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:26,640
aspect of a case well isn't that so much

658
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:27,280
um

659
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,600
their own

660
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,000
narrative so they pick apart the pieces

661
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,000
of the story that work for them

662
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:38,080
yeah yeah yeah you know you know it's

663
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,280
it's you're

664
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:42,080
cherry-picking the data and and and i

665
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,760
challenge skeptics when they do that

666
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,120
because there's been many cases where

667
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:47,120
you can demonstrably show that they only

668
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,559
looked at one aspect and their

669
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:49,919
explanation didn't address

670
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,200
all of the information and so uh

671
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,600
what's interesting about that is i say i

672
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,799
challenge them

673
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,640
as skeptics they have to look at the

674
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,720
totality of information in any case

675
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:01,840
before formulating an

676
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,919
answer but i hold us ufo researchers and

677
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,440
investigators equally

678
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:09,760
responsible sure we cannot jump to a

679
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:10,640
conclusion

680
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,799
criteria as outlined in a in a given

681
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,679
case

682
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,159
and so i'm very judicious as i think

683
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,600
your audience knows that i've followed

684
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:21,360
my work over the years i'm very careful

685
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,640
and very judicious

686
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,400
in making conclusive statements with

687
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,760
many of these cases

688
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:28,159
right and i think um one of those things

689
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,600
is uh

690
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,280
you know in doing that it makes you that

691
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,760
much more credible to be honest um

692
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,720
and if something can meet that criteria

693
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:37,840
then it meets it

694
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,880
and know that it is for sure

695
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:43,360
absolutely and you know not to borrow a

696
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,080
page from

697
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,840
you know the united states military and

698
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,840
government but the best thing we can do

699
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,720
as researchers

700
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:51,039
is basically lump it into that category

701
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,240
of other that we

702
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,559
report just because something cannot be

703
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,159
explained after you go through this

704
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:58,640
laundry list of prosaic explanations we

705
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,120
can't

706
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,480
just then jump to the conclusion

707
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:05,039
you know but that's fine that's fine you

708
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:06,000
know

709
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,679
it's just as important to rule out what

710
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,679
it isn't as it is to identify

711
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,600
and try to identify what it is yeah

712
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:13,600
great point great point

713
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,720
um greg here as a has a question

714
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:19,200
um pyramid over the pentagon have you

715
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,919
heard about that

716
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,840
i'm not familiar with that one greg i

717
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,200
apologize is

718
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,720
he probably made something that recently

719
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,400
came out again

720
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,159
it's hard to keep up with the news cycle

721
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,600
on the subject

722
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,919
yeah no yeah i'm sorry i'm not familiar

723
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:32,799
with that one

724
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:36,000
oh that's okay um yeah

725
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,600
you're right and we do have it you know

726
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,960
going back a little bit we do have so

727
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,039
much historical data that exists

728
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,159
i mean i literally on this page i

729
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,480
had a special where i just went over all

730
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:48,559
the washington dc documents i

731
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:52,559
i found which is like maybe 60 to 90 or

732
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,120
something

733
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,520
right and you have radar you have

734
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:56,799
witness testimony

735
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,279
multiple military witness testimonies of

736
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,200
the same thing at the same time

737
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:04,080
in other days and the funny thing was

738
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:04,799
yes

739
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:08,799
funny thing is

740
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,919
it was actually uh four days but they

741
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:13,520
don't tell you

742
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,240
that it was more than that there was

743
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,400
things seen over pennsylvania virginia

744
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,000
langley air force base

745
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,950
yeah it's just incredible and then they

746
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,400
did like another review

747
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,279
in like 1960 foreign technology division

748
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,720
did i think yeah

749
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,919
and it was so lazy

750
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,240
because they only obtained uh weather

751
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:37,919
data for one day

752
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:40,400
right for their temperature inversion

753
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,440
thesis

754
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,080
and they're hard to extrapolate that

755
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,760
over multiple days right

756
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:48,080
yeah and to your point visual sightings

757
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,200
by the pilot

758
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,279
by by one of the interceptors that were

759
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,600
sent up uh at one point if you recall he

760
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:56,000
was surrounded by these objects right

761
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,679
uh if this is a temperature inversion

762
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,039
it's one hell of an intelligent

763
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,960
temperature in virgin to be able to

764
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,799
orchestrate and kind of choreograph

765
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,080
themselves like that

766
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,240
yeah yeah i have in my archives here i

767
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:07,520
have tons of original

768
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,590
it's funny you bring this up too because

769
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,919
you know looking at the pentagon report

770
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,520
there is what's there and then there's

771
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,159
what's not there and what's sad is

772
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:25,039
if you knew absolutely nothing about

773
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,840
this subject

774
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:27,360
at all let's just pretend we pulled

775
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,320
someone off the street that has no

776
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,039
working knowledge of ufos at all

777
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,279
you would be led to believe this is a

778
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,600
first united states phenomenon

779
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,720
yeah that only started in 2004. right

780
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,559
obviously you and your audience know

781
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,000
that that's not the case

782
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,840
right so i'm trying to work right now

783
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,760
with a producer we're trying to use that

784
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,039
as a springboard

785
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,120
to do a documentary focusing on the

786
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,799
historical cases like

787
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,760
52 and others and really relying on the

788
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,440
original elements from the archives from

789
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,000
dr jalen hynix notes which i have here

790
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,559
the original project material i have and

791
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,159
things of that nature so

792
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,720
we hope that if if this most recent

793
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,720
coverage has opened people's minds

794
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,919
people have never thought about the

795
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:09,760
subject previously

796
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,880
to the ufo subject you know as i said

797
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,960
if you're one of those individuals that

798
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,240
are now for the first time

799
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,960
conceding in your mind that okay maybe

800
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,279
there is something to these ufos

801
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,520
the next logical question is if the

802
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,679
government's acknowledging it now

803
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,039
what about all these other sightings

804
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,679
they denied for decades so to me

805
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,840
it this is a pivotal moment in time

806
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,960
because a new

807
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,360
a new group a new uh subset of the

808
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,640
population

809
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,919
is now wanting to look at that

810
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:39,919
historical data yeah

811
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,080
that's that's exactly right and and

812
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,760
hopefully history doesn't repeat itself

813
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,360
that's for sure hopefully we don't go

814
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,360
back to the old blue book days but yeah

815
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,440
i think the genie is out of the bottle i

816
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,720
found that actually

817
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:55,120
like when i was looking for documents um

818
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,399
that looking for uh

819
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:59,440
atec atic was was almost better because

820
00:28:04,149 --> 00:27:59,760
it

821
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,159
book stuff oh absolutely and i have

822
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,000
as i mentioned right next to me here are

823
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,360
just off camera

824
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:09,440
uh all of dr jalen heineck's original

825
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,720
blue book material

826
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,399
what's interesting about this and i hope

827
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,000
i can highlight this if this production

828
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:15,520
comes to fruition that i was talking

829
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:16,159
about

830
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,600
sure and it's interesting by the way i

831
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,640
was just recently talking to paul

832
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,880
heineck dr heineck's son he's wanting to

833
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,799
go through some of his father's research

834
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,080
this was about three weeks ago we had a

835
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,760
wonderful conversation wow

836
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,320
that is awesome what's interesting is

837
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,880
you look at these reports and admittedly

838
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,480
they're what you might find online with

839
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,840
regard to some of the blue book

840
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,640
but what you think is uh typically in

841
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,080
red felt pin

842
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,120
uh dr heineck would cross out the air

843
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,840
force explanation

844
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,320
have some notations which is from a

845
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,760
historical standpoint

846
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,159
gold because you get to see really what

847
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,679
was in his mindset

848
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,520
right and even going back into the late

849
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,200
50s early 60s

850
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,880
you started to see the erosion of his

851
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,480
skepticism and

852
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,880
if anything the the growth of skepticism

853
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,880
as it pertained to the air force's take

854
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,480
on the ufo subject

855
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,799
he would cross out ball lightning and

856
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,679
then underneath

857
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,039
some of these cases would write

858
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,880
unidentified and upper case letters and

859
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,559
underline it three times

860
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,080
and then he would have a notation at the

861
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:16,000
bottom air force should have

862
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,840
investigated further why didn't they

863
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,760
request radar data question mark

864
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,840
oh wow so it really gives you insights

865
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,799
into the man

866
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:25,039
yeah while he was at blue book and in

867
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:26,000
showing that even in the

868
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,679
earlier years he was starting to realize

869
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:32,000
that the fix was in that they were not

870
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,600
wanting to take this seriously from an

871
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,039
investigative standpoint

872
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,000
right do you think it's because they

873
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,320
honestly didn't see a threat and

874
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:43,120
or they couldn't figure it out anyways

875
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,080
well

876
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,000
i think some of it really goes back to

877
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,399
the 1953 robertson panel

878
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,120
uh where the cia really stepped in as a

879
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,799
direct result of the 52 dc

880
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,360
flyovers that you know that's right and

881
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,799
they didn't want anyone to know they

882
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,159
were a part of that

883
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,559
not at all no not at all decades later

884
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:02,000
before we actually got the notes on that

885
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,200
meeting as you know

886
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,960
uh but what's interesting about that is

887
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,799
really that i always like to say that is

888
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:08,720
really where the quote-unquote cover-up

889
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,279
if you will

890
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,679
began because they used the term

891
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:12,720
debunking

892
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,320
should occur

893
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,799
to strip the ufo mystery or the strict

894
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,120
ufo subject of its aura of mystery

895
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:23,039
so that was really kind of the effects

896
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:24,559
if you will where they

897
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,760
basically took that as the directive

898
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,760
and started to try to just debunk all of

899
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:30,880
these cases

900
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,840
yeah that uh that was a really mean

901
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,720
sentence

902
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,399
it's pretty damning you know for those

903
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:40,240
that thought that actually blue book and

904
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,640
even

905
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,039
you know uh leading up to blue books

906
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,279
demise the the condon committee

907
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,880
if people thought that that was truly a

908
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,480
scientific endeavor

909
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:50,720
it really really punched holes in that

910
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,679
argument

911
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,960
yeah it's especially after dc too i

912
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,960
i don't know how they got away with that

913
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,799
i mean there was there was commercial

914
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,000
airline

915
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,000
witnesses everything well and it's

916
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:03,519
interesting too because you look at the

917
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:04,000
blue book

918
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,600
an umbrella term talking about project

919
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,640
sign grudge and then

920
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,279
actually project blue book itself these

921
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,279
are the cases that we know of

922
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,880
and we know that many of those cases

923
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,960
were diverted to another group

924
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,799
i think it was the 460 second air

925
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,080
intelligence wing was actually

926
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,640
investigating a lot of these ufo reports

927
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,120
and so we know some of these other

928
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,440
reports were being diverted elsewhere

929
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,679
and so and even the bolander memo uh you

930
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,000
know i believe 1969 referenced that

931
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,960
that um ufo reports that constitute a

932
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,880
threat to national security

933
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,880
are not part of the blue book system and

934
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:40,720
will be handled through those channels

935
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,840
already set up

936
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,240
so we we have that that bolander memo

937
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:45,840
that that's kind of a smoking gun with

938
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:46,720
regard to that

939
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,919
i'm pretty happy i have you on you're

940
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,360
giving me all sorts of stuff

941
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,360
well and even subsequent to blue book

942
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,279
you know we we were told that

943
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:57,360
december 69 that's it we have no more

944
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,640
interest in the subject

945
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,960
and then fast forward to 1976 with the

946
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,240
famous iranian

947
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:05,039
case right where air force uh general c

948
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,600
cord

949
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,320
and an entire detachment of air force

950
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,840
high ranking brass

951
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,840
went over to tehran to collect

952
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,440
information on that case and we have to

953
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,799
remember at that time we had a puppet

954
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,240
dictator set up

955
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,039
with the shah of iran that was basically

956
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,960
basically a puppet dictator on behalf of

957
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:22,399
the united states government at the time

958
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:23,120
yeah

959
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,760
that is uh pretty intense so there's a

960
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,120
long history and it's just

961
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,919
it's it's so sad that the report didn't

962
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,120
touch on any of that

963
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,440
yeah but they did say they were going to

964
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,279
take some of that information

965
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,600
um and try to use it to find patterns so

966
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,440
i remember seeing that yeah and it gets

967
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,039
your point as you underscored earlier

968
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:46,720
sean this was a preliminary

969
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:50,720
report yeah um

970
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,399
did do you know anything more about when

971
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:56,640
in like 16 when blue book was over it

972
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,600
seemed like at that point the air force

973
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,519
um well i know they contra they

974
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:02,720
contracted out the

975
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,000
university of colorado right do you know

976
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,240
anything more about that stuff

977
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:09,840
well i mean there's like where do you

978
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,880
get those files the the college

979
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,039
well yeah i i don't know if the college

980
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:17,039
has any but uh what's interesting about

981
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,240
that most people don't know is like

982
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,080
three or four universities turned down

983
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:22,080
the contract they didn't want to be

984
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,440
with it and finally it was the

985
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,360
university of colorado that decided they

986
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,799
would take it and run with it

987
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,080
but it was one of those it was like a

988
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,320
hot potato no no academic institute

989
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:33,360
wanted to get involved with it um but uh

990
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,480
but yeah

991
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:36,080
my colleagues jan aldridge and barry

992
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,600
greenwood have a

993
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:40,000
really detailed uh knowledge of that

994
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,960
time period

995
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,480
and they've done a lot of research with

996
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,240
regard to that in fact uh

997
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,320
in september we just confirmed this

998
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,679
about a week or two ago

999
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:49,200
uh barry and jan are going to be here in

1000
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,320
the research room and we're going to

1001
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,000
start our digitization uh

1002
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,480
continue digitization work which was on

1003
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,159
hold due to covid

1004
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,799
the nicap kufos and jaylen heineck

1005
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,440
material

1006
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,360
uh in fact i've got i don't know if you

1007
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,640
can see behind me here

1008
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,240
covered in plastic we have our our high

1009
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,240
speed commercial grade scanners

1010
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,720
uh which are for paper as well as uh

1011
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,599
microfilm

1012
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,520
we have yeah so we got our commercial

1013
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:12,960
grade scanner here which was

1014
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,839
actually paid for by a financial donor

1015
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:17,200
who believed in the research we were

1016
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,560
doing and they contributed

1017
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,639
so much and on the other side is a five

1018
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:22,639
thousand dollar microfilm digitization

1019
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,200
machine

1020
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,079
which was uh a benefactor uh gave us

1021
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,079
money to purchase that as well so

1022
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,839
that's incredible there are people that

1023
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,200
are truly uh

1024
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,159
invested in not just hit by word but by

1025
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,679
by their finances

1026
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,520
that are helping try to help us preserve

1027
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,760
this history for future generations

1028
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,480
that is fantastic um you know i just

1029
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,359
really started doing my own research

1030
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:48,399
uh hard i guess maybe a month or two

1031
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,040
months ago

1032
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:51,119
and this is all i've learned a lot since

1033
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,320
then and i think

1034
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:54,560
actually going in with a fresh

1035
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,599
perspective

1036
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,839
not having looked at this stuff for 30

1037
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,119
years like everyone else

1038
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,720
right i think i saw some things in a

1039
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,320
different way

1040
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,800
i i always say the more sets of eyes and

1041
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:06,720
the more brains we have applied to this

1042
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,280
subject

1043
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,280
and to your point where you're coming in

1044
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:10,560
untainted you know

1045
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,160
very objective very open i i think

1046
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,240
even in the old data there's new

1047
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,920
insights that can be gathered by

1048
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:19,200
by other people looking at the

1049
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,640
information and maybe connecting the

1050
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,599
dots where

1051
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,440
myself and others haven't made those

1052
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:25,599
those connections or those correlations

1053
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:29,599
um the triangle or pyramid

1054
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:32,800
accounts um back

1055
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,160
in that time i'm i'm not very familiar

1056
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,320
with those and i couldn't find i found

1057
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,640
one that said triangle on it but i could

1058
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,640
not find any other and

1059
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,480
granted i'm just looking at foia reading

1060
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:45,839
rooms but oh sure

1061
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:48,560
um was there a lot of those oh

1062
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:49,280
absolutely

1063
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,599
fact i think i might have a few here i

1064
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,359
can share with you and your audience uh

1065
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,920
i was just uh reviewing some of these uh

1066
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:59,680
going through the microfilm which i just

1067
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,560
gathered from

1068
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:03,119
jan aldridge he gave me about 165 reels

1069
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:04,960
of historic microfilm

1070
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,920
there are tons of old newspaper accounts

1071
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:08,960
going back to the late

1072
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,440
40s and i've been going through these

1073
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,359
and i don't know if you can see this one

1074
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,119
here this is this headline

1075
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,599
bring it up that way not flying saucer

1076
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,680
but flying triangles seen by local

1077
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,960
residents wow and i don't know if you

1078
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,240
can see the date up here

1079
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,520
yeah on november 8th 1957.

1080
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,440
that was the date of the sighting was

1081
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,480
november 8th wow

1082
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,240
and that was just one that's just one

1083
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,480
but here's another one this is from 1957

1084
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,240
as well

1085
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:39,040
reports citing flying triangle over city

1086
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:39,520
wow

1087
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,720
what city was that and this was uh

1088
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,520
hazelton pennsylvania pennsylvania and

1089
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:47,119
it described it as

1090
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,720
something resembling a triangle with a

1091
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,240
light at each corner

1092
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,400
so we're not talking as we were

1093
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,160
referencing earlier like riga latvia

1094
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,760
where it could have been a balloon

1095
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,240
these are structured objects with lights

1096
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,079
and many of these also

1097
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,160
in the early accounts describe rapid

1098
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,240
acceleration the ability to hover

1099
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,280
to be completely silent and here's

1100
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,960
another one this is uh one that i

1101
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:10,560
i actually included in my book some

1102
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,510
and that's from september 1960 revolving

1103
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:18,480
red light

1104
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:21,760
that is wild has anyone else reported

1105
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,000
that

1106
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,480
the revolving red light the revolving

1107
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,680
light not so much

1108
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,200
but it's interesting the position of

1109
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,800
that light is where we have

1110
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,560
more of the modern reports describing

1111
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,160
these pulsing or red lights

1112
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,680
here's an interesting one i stumbled

1113
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,440
across and i have some additional

1114
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,000
information

1115
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,560
on it this was from the bremerton sun

1116
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:40,079
newspaper in washington

1117
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,480
dated may 27 1965.

1118
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,480
wow triangle and what's interesting i

1119
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,760
don't know if you can read this at the

1120
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,200
first paragraph there

1121
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,680
this was viewed by someone at the puget

1122
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:53,440
sound naval shipyard

1123
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,040
whoa now what's interesting about this

1124
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:59,200
in doing my historical research on this

1125
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,599
particular case

1126
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,280
1965 was the first year the puget sound

1127
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,280
naval shipyard started

1128
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:07,839
working and retrofitting and repairing

1129
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,520
nuclear powered naval vessels

1130
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,119
so do you think there's a connection

1131
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,440
there there's definitely some type of

1132
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,280
correlation between nuclear

1133
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,119
weapon storage facilities

1134
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,760
nuclear-powered military vehicles

1135
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,160
power plants and ufos my my friend and

1136
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,680
colleague robert hasting has really done

1137
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,119
the lion's share of work with

1138
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:29,359
with regard to the military cases

1139
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,800
involving that but there's a strong

1140
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:32,880
correlation with regard to that no doubt

1141
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,920
it was a triangle that uh went over uh

1142
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,400
montana right the missile silos

1143
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,720
uh do you know i don't know if it's

1144
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:42,160
robert silas

1145
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,520
yeah i don't know if it was a triangle

1146
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,520
in that case i believe it was a large

1147
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:48,160
uh football shaped red red glowing

1148
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,349
what do you make of

1149
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,240
all these different do you think it

1150
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,240
could be one thing that can

1151
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,280
show different things or

1152
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:05,280
you know whether on purpose or not but

1153
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:06,800
it's one of the big questions you know

1154
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,119
right

1155
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,960
we have such variety with regard to

1156
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,720
these objects that are being seen and i

1157
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,480
know many people fall into that

1158
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,599
that that line of thought that well the

1159
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,520
saucers are the grays the reptilians

1160
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,960
have the triangles and

1161
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,240
and again i think that's a fairly

1162
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,079
simplistic way of looking at it

1163
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,480
sure um i always kind of i just try to

1164
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,880
find corollaries in our day-to-day life

1165
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,800
if you're standing let's say you're

1166
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:30,320
you're a bird or a dog

1167
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:33,200
standing next to a road and you see a

1168
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,960
volkswagen drive by

1169
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,359
and then you see a dump truck drive by

1170
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,680
and then you see a police car drive by

1171
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,680
they look very different they're being

1172
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,280
driven by the same group

1173
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,880
but they're designed for different

1174
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,560
utilitarian purposes

1175
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:49,760
true and i think again i don't know it's

1176
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,079
just

1177
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,800
simple speculation yep i think that some

1178
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,680
of these things

1179
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:56,160
are built by design for a specific

1180
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,520
purpose

1181
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,680
yeah like yeah i've heard that about the

1182
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:01,760
triangles maybe coming here to

1183
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,119
check out geographically yeah my friend

1184
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:07,200
chris mellon who you know of course i

1185
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,319
was uh with

1186
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,000
on the history channel on identified

1187
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,079
last year chris and i by the way

1188
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,560
we knew each other briefly prior to that

1189
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,520
that whole

1190
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,200
experience filming and then we we're

1191
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,440
still in touch to to this day we keep

1192
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:21,839
in touch on a regular basis chris i will

1193
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:22,480
tell you

1194
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,760
just for you and the sake of your

1195
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,160
audience um his interest

1196
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,319
was not something created for television

1197
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,760
regarding these triangles

1198
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:31,280
he reached out through a mutual friend

1199
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,480
and colleague about a year year and a

1200
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:34,560
half prior to this unidentified show

1201
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,040
even

1202
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,359
existing and my friend said do you know

1203
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,040
chris mellon and this was a phone call

1204
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:41,040
as i was driving from a business trip

1205
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,560
and i said well i don't know chris

1206
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:44,160
mellon i certainly loved him

1207
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,760
yeah and he said well he wants to talk

1208
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,520
to you he he wanted to know who would be

1209
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,560
the guy to talk to about these

1210
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,400
triangular ufos and i told him you know

1211
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,480
i'd like to get him in touch with you so

1212
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,480
about two or three weeks it took for us

1213
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,200
to kind of coordinate our busy schedules

1214
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:59,520
and i was sitting in this very chair uh

1215
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,319
at that time

1216
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,240
and we had a wonderful hour and a half

1217
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:03,839
long conversation

1218
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,920
and uh you know right out of the gate it

1219
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:07,440
was one of the highest compliments i've

1220
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,160
received

1221
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:10,079
chris said you know dave appreciate you

1222
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,599
taking the time to speak with me i just

1223
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:13,040
want to let you know when your book came

1224
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,280
out

1225
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,520
2013 i bought it i'm a huge fan of your

1226
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,960
research so

1227
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:19,040
i was rather humbled you know someone

1228
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,000
from his background

1229
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,760
and in his standing in the intelligence

1230
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,760
world to be able to say that

1231
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,359
yeah and when you put so much work into

1232
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:27,040
something i mean that's nice well he

1233
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,240
appreciates it because

1234
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,079
you know admittedly sean you and your

1235
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:32,240
audience know this there's a lot of talk

1236
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,800
out there

1237
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:35,119
but there's not a lot to back it up and

1238
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,480
i don't know what we're dealing with

1239
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:38,079
with the subject but when i do my

1240
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,119
lectures and i'm working on a new

1241
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:40,720
lecture series based on

1242
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:43,599
the historic kufos nycap case files i'm

1243
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,800
i'm going through

1244
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,720
pulling historical triangle cases that

1245
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,640
people have never seen publicly

1246
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,079
and i'm putting that together and

1247
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,839
showing that long history as we were

1248
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,280
alluding to earlier

1249
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,400
but chris i think appreciates fact-based

1250
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,720
information in other words don't take my

1251
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,760
word for it

1252
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,440
here's the newspaper look it up for

1253
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,440
yourself yeah and so

1254
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,079
i try to to cite my resources my sources

1255
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,520
all the time i i was taught that in

1256
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:08,800
college you know if you're gonna cite

1257
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,359
something

1258
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,440
you have to put your your sources yeah

1259
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,040
and i hope that people not only use that

1260
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,720
to verify what i'm telling them but to

1261
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:16,160
use it as a springboard for their own

1262
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,119
research

1263
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:18,880
yeah that's a that's a great point i

1264
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,040
mean especially when you're dealing with

1265
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,960
something that could be very dramatic

1266
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,480
you don't want to

1267
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:27,280
uh well we we know people just fill in

1268
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,160
the blanks but

1269
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,640
the smaller the blanks get people will

1270
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,359
still try to throw something in there

1271
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,440
and maneuver that narrative just a

1272
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:37,599
little bit so yeah gotta stick to the

1273
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,240
facts

1274
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,720
absolutely you know and skeptics to the

1275
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,160
to their point you know i have to give

1276
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,000
them credit sometimes skeptics

1277
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,240
uh the real skeptics uh the ones that

1278
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,680
take a skeptical approach but are

1279
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,280
willing to look at the data

1280
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,359
sometimes skeptics keep us honest

1281
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,839
sometimes researchers or others

1282
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,359
will make a statement and they'll say

1283
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,119
you know you have to dial that back you

1284
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,720
can't say that definitively and

1285
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,160
sometimes they're right we you we do

1286
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,760
have to dial it back you know we we

1287
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:03,920
can't make that conclusive statement

1288
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,960
um but what's interesting is if you're

1289
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,240
looking at the data

1290
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:10,079
my attitude is you follow the data

1291
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,440
wherever it takes you

1292
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,280
irrespective of what i believe my

1293
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,720
beliefs don't matter

1294
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,280
in the in in the context of research

1295
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,800
right we all have our own personal

1296
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,160
beliefs and that's great from an

1297
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,560
ideological belief system perspective

1298
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,640
but for myself and i've actually had

1299
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,079
discussions with friends on this they're

1300
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:27,599
like but you believe that why aren't you

1301
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,960
saying that it's like because i can't

1302
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,400
support it with the evidence

1303
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,720
right i might believe something but if i

1304
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,000
can't back it up with

1305
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,200
documents facts recorded historical

1306
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,640
documents

1307
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,319
i i shouldn't be out there it's

1308
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,640
irresponsible of me to do that

1309
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:45,040
for myself and it's irresponsible to

1310
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,480
present that to the general public

1311
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:48,000
unless i can back that up with something

1312
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,599
because at the end of the day

1313
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,359
i'm interested in the objective truth

1314
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,280
not the subjective proof

1315
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:55,119
you know subjective reality that dave

1316
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:56,560
marlar might believe

1317
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:59,440
but what the objective reality truly is

1318
00:44:03,670 --> 00:43:59,839
yeah

1319
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:03,680
earlier it's it's one something

1320
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:07,040
is proven that way um you won't have

1321
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,319
mick west's

1322
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,960
right yeah yeah absolutely i mean some

1323
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,240
of the some of the explanations i've

1324
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:13,440
heard in you and your audience have

1325
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,400
heard

1326
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,640
are just ludicrous in the scheme of

1327
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,240
things i mean i think even one person

1328
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,760
had postulated that

1329
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,440
the gimbal or one of the other videos

1330
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:23,119
was maybe a bug on the lens of the

1331
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,079
camera it's like

1332
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,920
that's one incredible bug that can cling

1333
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:28,560
to an f-18 super hornet flying 300 miles

1334
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,040
an hour

1335
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:31,200
that's an incredible bug that movie be

1336
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:32,319
with jerry seinfeld

1337
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,960
oh my god

1338
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,560
but it's just crazy i mean some of the

1339
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,640
explanations just simply you know

1340
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,400
don't hold any don't hold any water

1341
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,560
whatsoever yeah it's unfortunate

1342
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,280
especially when it starts disparaging um

1343
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,560
you know people who have served our

1344
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,560
country well

1345
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,760
thank you for bringing it up because

1346
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,359
i've actually had discussions with

1347
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,800
individuals uh

1348
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,359
individually as well as collectively it

1349
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:59,040
some of these explanations are an insult

1350
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,240
to these men and women that have

1351
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,440
defended our country

1352
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,520
and at the end of the day i i think

1353
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,119
that's great you bring that point up

1354
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,880
we need to take a step back and realize

1355
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,880
look these are people that are extremely

1356
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:11,040
well-trained flying multi-million dollar

1357
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,640
aircraft and it really

1358
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,400
is an insult to their intelligence and

1359
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,480
their training to throughout some of

1360
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,560
these arbitrary explanations that

1361
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:22,800
quite frankly insult their intelligence

1362
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,599
right and

1363
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:26,640
if you know they wouldn't talk about it

1364
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:29,440
if they did have a reasonable amount of

1365
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,000
doubt

1366
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:32,240
in what they were about to say right you

1367
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,440
know why would they put their reputation

1368
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:35,119
in their credibility on the line right

1369
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,880
especially someone like dedrick who

1370
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,160
obviously

1371
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,520
does not like attention or

1372
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,079
no no no not someone you would paint or

1373
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:46,160
characterize as a ufo believer in fact

1374
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,119
yeah i don't know if you would

1375
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:48,720
characterize any of the naval pilots of

1376
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:49,520
the company

1377
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,560
ufo believers uh they're very pragmatic

1378
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,839
in their their reporting

1379
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,599
not saying what i saw i'm just

1380
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,599
describing it as i saw it and

1381
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,960
by the way it was also recorded on

1382
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,280
various instrumentation that's not just

1383
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:03,280
saying i saw it and it is what it is i

1384
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,560
don't know what it is

1385
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,240
you know that's it yeah some people

1386
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,240
postulate maybe it's the air force

1387
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,599
something the air force has they're not

1388
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,640
telling maybe about

1389
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,520
maybe it's it's a much more practical

1390
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,400
explanation

1391
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,079
than saying it's something off world or

1392
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,599
from another dimension i mean i'll be

1393
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:18,880
the first to acknowledge that

1394
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,520
yeah however if you're going to put that

1395
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:23,119
idea forth you better have something to

1396
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,920
back it up

1397
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,920
sure and if you look at the maneuvers of

1398
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:27,760
these things that's not practical

1399
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,920
so it doesn't make sense to take a prac

1400
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,040
practical view

1401
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:34,240
well and especially as you uh rightly so

1402
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,520
pointed out earlier sean

1403
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,800
where we're talking about the history

1404
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,880
where you can find these same

1405
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,440
flight characteristics that were being

1406
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,560
demonstrated

1407
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,480
in military cases not just here in the

1408
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:46,160
united states but elsewhere going back

1409
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,119
decades

1410
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,680
90 degree turns everything exactly in

1411
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,960
fact the you know going back to the

1412
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,400
triangles for a moment

1413
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:54,160
um many people believe that the

1414
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,920
triangles are something military and i

1415
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,640
can see

1416
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,960
some of the reports that are being

1417
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,480
observed and reported

1418
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,960
uh could be military in other words if

1419
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,640
you're seeing a triangular object that's

1420
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:06,079
slowly moving through the sky in a

1421
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,359
linear fashion

1422
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,680
that could easily be something military

1423
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:11,680
right

1424
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,319
you know aircraft that we know of let

1425
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:15,920
alone what we don't know

1426
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:19,359
right um but as chris mellon has pointed

1427
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:20,800
out as louis pointed out

1428
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,400
and i would concur we have exotic

1429
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,559
flight characteristics in fact uh one of

1430
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:28,160
the the characteristics i outlined in my

1431
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,200
book and i just came across some

1432
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,119
historical cases just the other day

1433
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,880
in the kuffos nightcap files which i'll

1434
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,319
be sharing with audiences later this

1435
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,000
year and next year

1436
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:38,720
many of these triangle reports are seen

1437
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,440
where

1438
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,640
the flat side is the leading edge

1439
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:45,280
in other words yeah in other words it's

1440
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:46,400
moving like this

1441
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:49,839
with the tail as the rear of the object

1442
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,319
it's like opposite world

1443
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,319
and we're not talking triangles that are

1444
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,480
thin that have a an aerodynamic

1445
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,599
uh profile as i uh mentioned just

1446
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:01,040
recently to someone

1447
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,640
we're talking about an object that's

1448
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,079
moving through the air that's about as

1449
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,680
aerodynamic as a brick

1450
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,119
yeah because not only are these things

1451
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:08,800
triangular they quite often have

1452
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,079
depth so you're looking at a large tall

1453
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,960
flat sided object moving through the air

1454
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,839
like that

1455
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,680
yeah that would just be clearly some

1456
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,520
other type of propulsion technology

1457
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,920
yeah you'd be getting way too much uh

1458
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:22,880
friction

1459
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,240
up in the sky with a big fat absolutely

1460
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,559
not not to mention that coupled with the

1461
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,839
extreme slow speed

1462
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,440
some of these objects are only moving 20

1463
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:33,359
to 30 to 40 miles an hour through the

1464
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,160
air

1465
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,240
uh conventional aerodynamic principles

1466
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,000
wouldn't allow for enough lift

1467
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,240
in that situation and then some people

1468
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,680
have postulated well maybe these are

1469
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,680
lighter than air blimps which

1470
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,760
yes if you have a large object if it's

1471
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:47,359
moving slow or hovering

1472
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,640
uh it could be a blimp but again as i

1473
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,839
alluded to earlier you have to view the

1474
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,200
totality of evidence

1475
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,240
yeah what about the reports of a large

1476
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,480
silent or slow or hovering moving object

1477
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,760
that's triangular

1478
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:02,079
that from a dead stop suddenly shoots

1479
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:03,119
away

1480
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:05,839
and disappears no lighter than air

1481
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,720
vehicle has

1482
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,880
the structural integrity to withstand

1483
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,400
that amount of g-force

1484
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,440
right so you know we have to go through

1485
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,880
all of these elements and we can't

1486
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:16,800
ignore or cherry pick the data we have

1487
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,280
to

1488
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,680
look at each one of these cases and look

1489
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:21,599
at every one of these elements before we

1490
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,480
can start really

1491
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,280
putting forth an explanation yeah and i

1492
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,200
think patience will go a long way

1493
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,000
in this and i know like an argument i

1494
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:32,000
even made it one point it was it's been

1495
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:32,880
80

1496
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,839
flip side of that argument is yeah it's

1497
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,880
been 80 years

1498
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:41,200
so be patient well you know it's

1499
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,160
interesting you know

1500
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:44,240
we have to be patient and i've seen some

1501
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,359
interesting write-ups

1502
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:47,119
since the pentagon report came out and

1503
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,559
people making statements like

1504
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,000
well i guess you civilian ufo

1505
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,920
researchers can hang it up now

1506
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,160
i think we have to keep in mind that

1507
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,640
again looking at the subset of data that

1508
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:58,800
the pentagon looked at the dod

1509
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,680
they're looking at military reports and

1510
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:03,119
they did make that one reference as you

1511
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,559
alluded to sean they might look at some

1512
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,160
of the historical data

1513
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,839
i still think they're going to look at

1514
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,760
most of the cases within the confines of

1515
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,800
what the military

1516
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,640
has documented and recorded just because

1517
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,280
again they're higher credibility cases

1518
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,359
sure um the vast majority of civilian

1519
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,800
ufo reports i still

1520
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,559
see being investigated by groups like

1521
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,280
mufon and other independent researchers

1522
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,720
yeah the the frustration i don't think

1523
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,640
that's going gonna change no

1524
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,160
and it shouldn't it's just the

1525
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:30,400
frustrating part is um

1526
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,000
you know um credibility

1527
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,640
like for whatever reason people trust

1528
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,559
military people more which is

1529
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:40,079
completely silly because if you look at

1530
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,760
these reports from back then

1531
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:44,000
they'll describe their credibility by a

1532
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:45,520
system that they have

1533
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,720
and nine times out of ten it was

1534
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,720
these people are very well established

1535
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,160
they're very

1536
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,480
um you know smart intelligent i see no

1537
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,839
reason for them to lie

1538
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,160
you know that's all these witnesses so

1539
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,559
well over 30 years it's funny i've seen

1540
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:01,680
this this kind of

1541
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:05,119
uh dichotomy if you will with the ufo

1542
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,000
community

1543
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,040
we don't trust government we know

1544
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,920
there's government there's there's a ufo

1545
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,599
cover-up we don't trust government

1546
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,040
but then over the years we've had all

1547
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,839
these people come up and and

1548
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,680
be self-proclaimed government

1549
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,880
whistleblowers

1550
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,319
people say that they've worked on the

1551
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,720
inside and i was involved in this

1552
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:26,400
program and i was involved in this i

1553
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,720
mean

1554
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:29,200
there's a number of people in in the ufo

1555
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,760
uh

1556
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,520
community over the last 20 30 years have

1557
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,040
come forward with

1558
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:36,240
unverifiable claims but i was on the

1559
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,960
inside

1560
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:39,119
and it's amazing to see the skepticism

1561
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,240
of government

1562
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,440
yet the the ready willingness to believe

1563
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,520
these tall tales of these

1564
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:47,200
government it's like i don't believe

1565
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,640
government but i believe the government

1566
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,760
insider because they're telling me

1567
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:51,920
tantalizing stories involving ufos that

1568
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:52,720
i want to believe

1569
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,079
they left the government they're not

1570
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,079
even yeah right right so

1571
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,839
it's just like either you're skeptical

1572
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,440
or you're not it's just it's interesting

1573
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,440
to kind of see how people's skepticism

1574
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,200
erodes when they hear these tall

1575
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,800
sensational tales by purported

1576
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,240
government insiders see

1577
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:09,200
i don't you know i question everyone

1578
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,760
yeah

1579
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:12,079
exactly including the government i don't

1580
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,800
just say

1581
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,200
that they're dishonest um i think

1582
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,119
there's uh definitely proof that they

1583
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,599
were but we also don't know the intent

1584
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,280
and i feel like if we want to judge

1585
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,520
actions or situation

1586
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,119
correctly you have to know what the

1587
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,280
intent is absolutely and we won't know

1588
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,800
the intent i think until we know the

1589
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:30,240
totality of information that they're

1590
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,960
looking at

1591
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,800
and we don't know what they're privy to

1592
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,240
what information that they have

1593
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,280
so yeah i i yes i move forward with

1594
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,960
skepticism even with regard to the

1595
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,720
government even today with pentagon

1596
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,240
report and subsequent

1597
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:44,400
but at the same time i can see that

1598
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,920
there's a lot of information that i'm

1599
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:47,200
simply not privy to

1600
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:50,720
yeah and i think they should expect that

1601
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:53,760
uh the distrust as well i mean it'd be

1602
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,480
well

1603
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,400
especially given the decades-long

1604
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:59,040
denials leading up to this disclosure

1605
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,720
yeah if i can use that term i mean i

1606
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:02,079
know people talk about disclosure in a

1607
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,280
different context

1608
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,599
but this isn't that intense this is

1609
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,200
disclosure with a lower case d

1610
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,760
is how i i describe it because they at

1611
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,440
least have acknowledged these things

1612
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,440
unequivocally exist we don't know what

1613
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:15,280
they are and we are going to continue to

1614
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,720
investigate them and streamline our

1615
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:18,400
reporting collection process

1616
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,839
to collect and acquire more data yeah um

1617
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,079
what we got you have 53 minutes here is

1618
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,000
there anything that you want to

1619
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,960
cover uh in particular just that there's

1620
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:30,800
a lot of work uh going on behind the

1621
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:32,240
scenes right now like i said barry

1622
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:33,440
greenwood jan aldridge are going to be

1623
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,400
out here they're actually going to be

1624
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,319
living researchers with me and my family

1625
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,640
for two weeks

1626
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,000
we're going to be scanning hundreds and

1627
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:42,079
thousands of pages of documents the

1628
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,280
ultimate goal is

1629
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,280
uh and sean i i open this up to you and

1630
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,040
your audience anyone that would have the

1631
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,960
time and treasury to come to new mexico

1632
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,559
if you're ever coming through

1633
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,400
i i make my research room open to

1634
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,760
researchers to come

1635
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,680
and go through hynix material to go

1636
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,040
through

1637
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:59,280
newspaper accounts government documents

1638
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,559
uh i make it

1639
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,800
uh widely open and available to serious

1640
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,920
researchers

1641
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:05,920
but the ultimate goal is that's short

1642
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:08,240
term the ultimate goal is we understand

1643
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:09,680
that that's very difficult for most

1644
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,319
people

1645
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,000
we're trying to systematically get all

1646
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,520
of this material digitized and

1647
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,359
eventually have that freely available on

1648
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:17,040
the internet for the worldwide ufo

1649
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,920
community

1650
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,640
that's the long-term goal yeah and the

1651
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,040
internet's kind of this

1652
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,400
double-edged sword so to speak um it's

1653
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,359
i prefer vinyl records original

1654
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,680
documents

1655
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:34,079
i have to say you know at the risk of

1656
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,440
embarrassing myself

1657
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,760
um we're all about digitizing but as a

1658
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,599
historian there's just something special

1659
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,040
about holding a letter

1660
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,960
that was written by dr heineck you're

1661
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,480
holding the original

1662
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,480
and it's just imagine that i'm i'm a

1663
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,880
historian above and beyond ufos i'm just

1664
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,160
a history buff but

1665
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,400
to hold the original documents there's

1666
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,920
just something to be said for that and i

1667
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,599
know some people laugh at that but i'm

1668
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,880
just kind of sentimental i don't think

1669
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:58,079
you can be a historian without being

1670
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,200
somewhat sentimental

1671
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,920
i'm i'm the same way man and with music

1672
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,359
because i spent most of my life

1673
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:06,240
writing music and all that right um yeah

1674
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,200
getting an actual

1675
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:09,599
vinyl record that's a package that's

1676
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,240
absolutely

1677
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,720
the thing putting it the record on you

1678
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,839
gotta flip it

1679
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:16,720
halfway through you know like all that

1680
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,040
and

1681
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:19,200
it makes what you're enjoying that much

1682
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,559
more special

1683
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,079
yeah yeah well because you can't just

1684
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,400
skip the song into your point you know

1685
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:26,000
pulling digital documents off the

1686
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,640
internet

1687
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:28,319
you know have they been redacted have

1688
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,839
they been manipulated

1689
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,240
when you're right exactly original dated

1690
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,640
document let's say from 1953

1691
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,640
and you can see the paper you can see

1692
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:39,119
that you know the watermark on the paper

1693
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,240
you can see the type

1694
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,640
written letters on there and the

1695
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,640
original handwritten signature

1696
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,559
wow going back to the original source

1697
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:49,040
materials it just eliminates any and all

1698
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,079
contamination

1699
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,240
of the data when you can do that well i

1700
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,599
know um

1701
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:55,920
where i'm going to talk my wife into

1702
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:56,640
going for

1703
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,559
our uh for her birthday trip please do

1704
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,480
her birthday trip it'll be a gift to you

1705
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,000
right she yeah but

1706
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:06,160
exactly but she really wants to go to

1707
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,760
new mexico so

1708
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,160
i could well if you or anyone else is

1709
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,680
coming through new mexico in the near

1710
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:13,040
future like i said just

1711
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,400
you can reach reach me through my

1712
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:16,079
website and i have

1713
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:17,520
i've actually had since covet has

1714
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,799
started to ease up a bit i've had a

1715
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:20,559
number of researchers here doing

1716
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,680
uh historical archival archival work and

1717
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:25,280
in fact i just had two researcher

1718
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,799
friends across the country putting

1719
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,400
powerpoint presentations together and

1720
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:30,160
inquiring hey do you have this

1721
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,599
and i was able to share some vintage

1722
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,839
recordings in fact i'm going through

1723
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,799
digitizing

1724
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,799
uh vintage audio recordings right now

1725
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:38,480
reel-to-reel audio recordings going back

1726
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:39,920
to the 50s 60s

1727
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,920
that were part of it was the nycap

1728
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,000
audiophile collection and so

1729
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,680
it's not just paper documents it's not

1730
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,520
microfilm it's not photographed slides

1731
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,520
we also have vintage reel-to-reel audio

1732
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,359
recordings which i'm digitizing and

1733
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,359
digitally remastering which again

1734
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,520
will be available free once we get those

1735
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,960
uploaded to the internet

1736
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,799
yeah and that doing that stuff is not

1737
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,480
easy so you are good at

1738
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,200
uh very many things sir well i've

1739
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:04,559
learned patience

1740
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,079
yeah going back a bit yeah um i am

1741
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:10,559
super grateful for your time here um

1742
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,359
absolutely

1743
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,200
been one of my favorite guests be you

1744
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:15,040
know i'm into the old stuff i really

1745
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:16,319
hope you come back because there's so

1746
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,520
much more

1747
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,960
i'd love to try that and i appreciate

1748
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,799
your audience taking time out to

1749
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,400
hear our conversation today as well and

1750
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,319
the questions thank you yeah

1751
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,960
no problem um have a good rest of the

1752
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:27,920
day at work

1753
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,960
well don't be late

1754
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:33,119
and i will go back to work too so i hope

1755
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,400
you all have a good weekend

1756
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,480
thanks david thank you take care now

1757
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,400
take care

1758
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:41,040
oh wow that was awesome he is a great

1759
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:41,760
guy and it

1760
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,359
he really is the

1761
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,760
my cup of tea as far as what he's into i

1762
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:49,680
love the old stuff

1763
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:54,079
um i just feel like there's so much

1764
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:58,160
older you know there was a certain point

1765
00:58:02,789 --> 00:57:59,359
where

1766
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:02,799
everything just had more meaning

1767
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:05,920
it just seemed more

1768
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:09,520
original you know or

1769
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,200
itself like today we have spotify

1770
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,599
and like musicians don't get paid for

1771
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,280
that trust me

1772
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,960
and you can listen to whatever you want

1773
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:21,520
and skip stuff and all that

1774
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,440
and that's fine and all and i get it but

1775
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:27,920
um the song that you like or the record

1776
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:30,640
that you like or the band that you like

1777
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:34,079
it means it takes that meaning that you

1778
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,480
have

1779
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:36,160
already with that song whatever it may

1780
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:38,240
be and it puts it way

1781
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:42,319
up here especially if you put it on and

1782
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:45,280
you're just alone with it

1783
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:49,599
i recommend you do that unfortunately

1784
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:53,920
there are no used ufo document stores

1785
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:57,599
but there are used vinyl stores so

1786
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,000
um hey i appreciate it derek

1787
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,520
um i'm sorry that i haven't um

1788
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,839
you know given shout outs or anything i

1789
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:10,400
try my best to just stay focused on the

1790
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:13,680
uh conversation so it can be as organic

1791
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:18,480
uh and real as possible um but yeah

1792
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:19,520
derek you're awesome

1793
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:22,559
steve k anna always bringing the tude

1794
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:25,920
love it thanks for coming

1795
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:30,839
scott brown steve everybody

1796
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:33,680
um if you are free

1797
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,960
there is a gentleman named vinnie who

1798
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:39,440
runs disclosure team

1799
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:42,559
and he is interviewing danny silva

1800
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,000
right now and i am going

1801
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,119
to okay

1802
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,319
um i'm going to log off here now

1803
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:55,280
and i'm going to go be on that show for

1804
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:55,839
a little bit

1805
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,839
and hang out with danny um and vinnie so

1806
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,200
go over there

1807
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,400
disclosure team is the youtube channel

1808
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,880
and i'll be over there in a second so

1809
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:07,680
hopefully

1810
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,280
you will follow me um

1811
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:13,680
yeah but otherwise i'll see you soon

1812
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:14,400
normal

1813
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,079
regular programming starts on monday

1814
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:21,599
but i believe tomorrow um

1815
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:25,280
might have a little like recap

1816
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,799
of all the interviews this week because

1817
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:28,480
it was just that kind of week

1818
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,680
so um

1819
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:34,160
i appreciate it um thank you guys for

1820
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,799
all you do

1821
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,319
i'm just sitting here talking and asking

1822
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:38,079
questions but if you guys didn't take

1823
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,520
the actions to

1824
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,000
you know come here and actually watch

1825
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:43,839
and listen and comment and share

1826
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,119
and subscribe um

1827
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,280
you know what's the big deal if i'm just

1828
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,119
here talking to nobody

1829
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:53,440
so i really appreciate you guys and all

1830
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,400
you do

1831
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,640
oh yeah the danny sheehan statement i

1832
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:58,799
should probably talk about that soon

1833
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:02,240
um i'm going to read this

1834
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:05,680
quick before i go so

1835
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:08,839
if you watch the lou elizondo uh episode

1836
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:11,839
here um with me yesterday he mentioned

1837
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,559
uh like some shoes we're gonna drop and

1838
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:16,079
some people who haven't spoken yet

1839
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:19,760
are well here we go it is the

1840
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:25,040
uh statement here from danny sheehan

1841
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:29,040
you can read it on facebook

1842
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,640
and i'm just going to go through it

1843
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:32,240
quick i'm just going to read it narrate

1844
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:33,520
it

1845
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,119
danny's public statement about lou

1846
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,119
elizondo and chris mellon

1847
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,359
on april 24th this year in my capacity

1848
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,599
at the 2001 general counsel to the may

1849
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,160
10 2001 disclosure project event

1850
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:46,240
at the national press club in washington

1851
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,280
dc

1852
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:48,640
i'm not going to read all this it's

1853
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,390
um here we go i'm issuing this official

1854
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,680
public statement to make it

1855
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:57,680
unequivocally clear that i do

1856
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:01,680
not agree with dr steven greer's

1857
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,240
theory that the recent confirmation by

1858
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:07,119
our u.s defense department

1859
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,920
that a clear majority of the 2004 to

1860
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:11,039
2017

1861
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,160
reports of ufos are real physical

1862
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:15,920
vehicles

1863
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:19,280
it is part of some secret plan

1864
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,039
on the part of our national security

1865
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:22,799
state bureaucracy

1866
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:26,240
to stage some imminent false flag fake

1867
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,000
alien invasion and he also doesn't agree

1868
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,079
with his public assertions that either

1869
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:34,480
lou elizondo or chris mellon are part

1870
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,870
so

1871
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:47,190
you can go check it out will i interview

1872
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,359
melon oh man i'd love to

1873
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,720
i don't think he's that accessible

1874
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,390
so yeah i read it um for you danny

1875
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,400
sheehan says this career guy

1876
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:00,960
is kind of off the handle and i don't

1877
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,720
even think we really needed him to tell

1878
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:04,640
us that that much was kind of clear but

1879
01:03:14,829 --> 01:03:09,280
i understand that what that means

1880
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,150
greer

1881
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:18,400
we're kind of thrown off by elizondo um

1882
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,440
getting with them but

1883
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:22,400
um it's pretty clear that grill grier

1884
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:22,880
has

1885
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:26,319
fallen falling off the path and um

1886
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:29,760
you know if i had anything to say

1887
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,520
if it would be

1888
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:36,319
i'm still there's i'm sure there's still

1889
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:37,119
a good guy

1890
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:39,760
in there and i know it must be hard to

1891
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:40,400
lose

1892
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:44,319
attention on something you built

1893
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,079
um but you made a lot of mistakes

1894
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:50,880
and everybody does make mistakes but the

1895
01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:51,599
difference is

1896
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,880
when you admit to those mistakes

1897
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:55,359
apologize

1898
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:57,760
and move on and don't continue to make

1899
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,069
that's the difference that's a good

1900
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:04,559
person when you sit

1901
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:07,039
and take baths in your mistakes and

1902
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,039
screw ups

1903
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:11,359
and stand by them so hard that's what

1904
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:17,029
alright i'll see you later go to

1905
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:19,119
disclosure team

1906
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:39,029
i am witness citizen